Ayuda con eleccion de estas 2 fuentes

[Lyzzsha]

Buenos dias chicos :3


Voy a renovar el pc (menos placa, micro, disipador y RAM, voy a cambiar TODO)


Entonces, voy a ver si cambio la fuente de alimentación.
Estoy buscando una de 750W por si hago un SLI en un futuro (que seguramente lo haga, jiji)
Aunque no voy a hacer OC (de hecho tengo un undervolt, que me ayudó a hacer Albert1007 ) pero quiero que la fuente vaya relajada.


Para mí, es importante la seguridad y estabilidad. Quiero una fuente que me dure años, sin comerme la cabeza diciendo "es que el ruido éste viene de aqui o de alli)


Conozco "algo" de fuentes, pero no hasta el punto de saber sus protecciones, utilidades y esas cosas.


Por el problema que han tenido ahora mismo las EVGA y Seasonic, casi que tengo que evitarlas (y es que al parecer por culpa de los cables que tienen no son capaces de suministrar más de 225W a las tarjetas gráficas.. Y muchas RTX 2080 están siendo perjudicadas)


Entonces, tengo 2 alternativas, a ver si me podéis ayudar a aclararme un poco las ideas. Y la tienda preferida va a ser AMAZON, o Pc Componentes, llegado el caso.


- Be quiet! Straight Power 11 de 750W (Modelo BN283) Actualmente ronda en AMAZON los 130 euros aproximadamente. Ya es una fuente muy recomendada por su calidad, silencio, y la tenemos en el top de fuentes. Buenos componentes, interior limpio, y sus protecciones conocidas. Destacando su sonoridad, gracias a su ventilador y curva.
Quizás, me preocupa que interiormente las bobinas no vayan "protegidas" para evitar vibraciones. ¿Eso puede producir coil whine? Fabricante: FSP


- Corsair RM750x, v1. Me compraría la WHITE (Modelo CP-9020155-EU) Actualmente ronda en AMAZON los 145 euros aproximadamente. Fuente "Recomendada" aunque algunos de vosotros decís que ha habido casos de Coil Whine (ya me echa para atrás) Igualmente la tenemos en el top de fuentes con buenos componentes, buenas protecciones, interior limpio.
Destaco que ésta versión te viene con el cablemod blanco ya incorporado. Fabricante: CWT.




Sé que nos estamos moviendo en un rango particular. La Corsair white es del 2015. Más o menos la misma edad de la BQSP11.


El tema del cablemod me da igual, ya que se puede comprar aparte y no es tan caro.


Quizás en ese mismo rango de precios, tenemos la Corsair HX750, una fuente parece que amada por los mineros (en AMAZON hay muchos comentarios de gente que compra la de 1200 jajaja. Supongo que para... picar)


En fin, a ver si me podéis aclarar las ideas.




Sí, al final quizás compre las 2 fuentes y las pruebe, porque son fuentes que no he "probado in situ" y creo que mi ordenador es algo delicado... o yo gafe, como me dicen Albert y Fie. Jajaja.


Besotes. Help meee :3

 

[Mindundi Informático]

Buenas! Llevo tiempo en la misma tesitura que tú. Lo primero decirte que existe la Corsair RmX V2, que es la versión nueva que sacaron en 2018, no sé si estarías al tanto.

Lo segundo es que después de estar mas de dos semanas buscando la máxima información posible, anoche di con un tío en Youtube que hace revisiones de fuentes internamente y se ve que controla mucho del tema. Como no me quedó nada claro después de ver las reviews e ignoro totalmente el tema de las fuentes de alimentación y sus componentes internos decidí preguntarle que andaba entre estas dos fuentes y cuál me recomendaría.

Esta ha sido su respuesta: Thanks! Corsair RM750x, it is on a different level.

Después de su recomendación y de leer en un comentario de Amazon UK (creo) que los ventiladores Silent wings 3 de be quiet tienen frecuencias cercanas a las del cerebro humano (el hombre parecía puesto en el tema dadas todas sus explicaciones, si te interesa intentaré buscar el comentario) y tubo que devolver todos los ventiladores, creo que yo ire a por el Corsair.

Te adjunto los videos de las reviews por si te interesa.

Corsair RM750x V2 Part Analysis - YouTube

be quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Part Analysis - YouTube

 

[Lyzzsha]

Gracias compi.

Sí que sabía de la existencia de la RMX v2. Pero había muchos casos de coil whine y problemillas así. No sé si lo habrán solucionado. >.<
De hecho googlear poniendo esa palabra junto a la fuente o v2 ya saca resultados, y tela, ains...

Es más barata, que la v1, pero porque no lleva el cablemod con paracord y le añaden conector extra, básicamente ya está.

Me suena haber leido sobre ese tema.. el de las be quiet!

Parece que es un zumbido producido por los ¿Rodamientos? esos que lleva el ventilador éste en especial. O yo qué se.

Pero es bastante raro, a lo mejor solo se da 1 caso, o algo asi.

No he visto a más gente quejándose.. curiosearé por si acaso.

 

[Mindundi Informático]

Algo que me hace inclinarme más por la Corsair es que da 10 años de garantía, el doble de años que la be quiet.

Esta claro que las dos son buenas fuentes y tomemos la decisión que tomemos, no será errónea.

Te pego el tocho del comentario de amazon sobre los ventiladores, llevo media hora buscándolo xD





So first thing first, I am leaving the review for both the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 and BeQuiet Silent Wings 3 at the same time, so you can see the context of my review.

I want to start by addressing that I am a sound engineer, and a person with an ear that most just don't have. I have difference in mini-decibel range (10th of a decibel), I am a recording engineer, with a psychology understanding of the brain, and I have built computers for a while now. I have tried more fans you can imagine, but actually listened to them besides of using them as well.

Here is what I can tell you for both of Dark Rock Pro 4 and BeQuiet Silent Wings:
They produce frequences below the level of human ear hearing, and above hearing range of normal human being.

We can hear from 20hz to 20,000 hz, but not everyone, some start hearing from 45 hz, and only hear up to 14,000 hz. Hearing is very important, but the way the brain works is even more important in this review.

The BeQuiet fans in Dark Rock Pro 4 are Silent Wing 3 fans, with 135 mm variation fan specific only to BeQuiet coolers. Those motors/bearing in the fan produce frequencies around 6hz and above 19,000 hz.

Why does it matter? Well, 5 hz is frequency of the brain, if the sound produced is around that frequency it affect the brain, and it can actually make the person very angry (without knowing) or make them sick, physically or mentally. Frequencies above 17 hz are very damaging to the ear drum, they make your ears hurt, and you will feel a dull pain in your eardrums. Reason why, is the follicles in the ear drum are damaged in the process, and the pain is of hair follicles dying. Hair follicles in our ears act as nerves that transfer fluctuation of sound as perceivable sound that is transferred directly to brain, and then decoded into a set of known memories within our database of the brain. The problem with high frequencies is that they damage the ears, make you go deaf eventually, and erode your ear canal follicles in the process. Here is a key issue on top of it, frequencies above 17khz are very seldom heard by a human ear, around 18,000 hz-19,000 khz is where the dangerous zone trully begins, you cannot hear those frequencies (most people) but you are killing your hearing, but your brain is subjected by the sound and goes "insane" after a while. To subject a person to a 19,000-20,000 khz will cause a person to go insane, as will producing 5 hz - 8 hz, that range is very dangerous as well.

I studied science behind it, so I understand it, but I am not paranoid about it.

After sitting for 2 hours next to 3 fans of Silent Wings 3, I started getting annoyed, and I could not figure it out at first. I started hearing my fridge more, I suddenly started hearing air conditioners around my house (that I never noticed), and those sounds started hurting my brain and ears.

I am a logical person, so I started to check outside and inside for any kind of malfunction. What I realized that the frequency of the fans heightened the perception of sounds around, but NOT in a good way. I isolated the issue to the 3 fans first. I removed them, and my pain in the ears and irratation has subsided by about 80%. I returned the fans back to Amazon, but was greeted with the same issue in 4-5 hours of sitting at my computer. My moods are very stable, and they are not fluctuating up and down by the way.

I realized that the fans in the Dark Rock Pro 4 are causing the same issue, but to a lesser degree. Due to them being less rpm, but the frequency is the same, just to a lesser degree.

After removing the cooler, I realized it was not loudness of the fans, but the frequency it produced. I ABSOLUTELY would recommend to STAY AWAY from these fans for health reasons.

That is of course if you belive me, I have nothing to gain by it, but wanted to warn people.

Also I don't blame BeQuiet, as I am sure they are not aware of this, but maybe you will see that email and do a revision, because I care for people in this situation.
I will be sending them a separate email as well.

Other reasons for return: I am returning Dark Rock Pro 4 for several reasons, this is the main issue. Second issue is that cooling is very unstable. That part is more trivial now. It cannot compete with Corsair H105 that I had, and to me temps are jumping up and down. Tightening the bolts a bit less on the cpu, untill you hit the pressure is enough. Otherwise it will push the thermal paste all over, and thin it out too much where is more physical contact with the cooler, but no thermal paste to speak of now.

I would stay away from this cooler because of the fans first of all, and also, you cannot switch the fans to something else. It uses mounting mechanism that is specific to BeQuiet cooler. I would stay away altogether from it, because of those frequency issues, and unstable cooling performance. The fins are too closely stacked together, and fans cannot push substantial air through the fins to cool it. Fan is too low of rpm, and you cannot replace the fans with off-brand ones like Noctua.

Also, the cooler scuffs from tiniest contact of mounting brackets, chips the paint so easy...you will likely be pissed after a while. Fins bend so easy too, it's crazy fragile, and black paint just flakes off the fins, and from the mounting brackets.

Quality is poor in my opinion, but I saw some success with it in HIGHLY ventilated case, but you have to be realistic too. I have Cooler Master Geminii S524 cooler, with 4 heatpipes total, and Dark Rock Pro 4 has 14 (7 on each side), my old Cooler Master has a downward fan and never pushes above 72 Celcius on full Noctua fan profile, with Dark Rock Pro 4 I have seen 68-70 on full RPM load. What?

Geminii S524 was $35 by the way. Good engineering vs not so good. BUT...I will give the cooler 3 stars, because it's not garbage, but it's poorly designed, and not optimized for overclocking stability. I run Intel i7 4790k at 4.8 ghz, but you are telling me that Geminii with 4 heatpipes handles the cpu just as good but with only 1 Noctua fan vs BeQuiet 2 fans?

Results may vary, but I know what I am talking about, and I have to say...if you want great performance, perhaps go with water cooling AIO, or Noctua's high end air coolers.

Hopefully it explains it all, even when it comes to cooling with it. Cooler is fragile, fins, paint, and installation is semi-difficult if you have motherboard out of the case, but if it's in the case mounted....my goodness...may the peace be with you, my friends...it will drive you nuts trying to put those bolts into the bracket.

Unless you have 4 arms and patience of a god.

 

[Rivendell]

Algo que me hace inclinarme más por la Corsair es que da 10 años de garantía, el doble de años que la be quiet.

Esta claro que las dos son buenas fuentes y tomemos la decisión que tomemos, no será errónea.

Te pego el tocho del comentario de amazon sobre los ventiladores, llevo media hora buscándolo xD





So first thing first, I am leaving the review for both the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 and BeQuiet Silent Wings 3 at the same time, so you can see the context of my review.

I want to start by addressing that I am a sound engineer, and a person with an ear that most just don't have. I have difference in mini-decibel range (10th of a decibel), I am a recording engineer, with a psychology understanding of the brain, and I have built computers for a while now. I have tried more fans you can imagine, but actually listened to them besides of using them as well.

Here is what I can tell you for both of Dark Rock Pro 4 and BeQuiet Silent Wings:
They produce frequences below the level of human ear hearing, and above hearing range of normal human being.

We can hear from 20hz to 20,000 hz, but not everyone, some start hearing from 45 hz, and only hear up to 14,000 hz. Hearing is very important, but the way the brain works is even more important in this review.

The BeQuiet fans in Dark Rock Pro 4 are Silent Wing 3 fans, with 135 mm variation fan specific only to BeQuiet coolers. Those motors/bearing in the fan produce frequencies around 6hz and above 19,000 hz.

Why does it matter? Well, 5 hz is frequency of the brain, if the sound produced is around that frequency it affect the brain, and it can actually make the person very angry (without knowing) or make them sick, physically or mentally. Frequencies above 17 hz are very damaging to the ear drum, they make your ears hurt, and you will feel a dull pain in your eardrums. Reason why, is the follicles in the ear drum are damaged in the process, and the pain is of hair follicles dying. Hair follicles in our ears act as nerves that transfer fluctuation of sound as perceivable sound that is transferred directly to brain, and then decoded into a set of known memories within our database of the brain. The problem with high frequencies is that they damage the ears, make you go deaf eventually, and erode your ear canal follicles in the process. Here is a key issue on top of it, frequencies above 17khz are very seldom heard by a human ear, around 18,000 hz-19,000 khz is where the dangerous zone trully begins, you cannot hear those frequencies (most people) but you are killing your hearing, but your brain is subjected by the sound and goes "insane" after a while. To subject a person to a 19,000-20,000 khz will cause a person to go insane, as will producing 5 hz - 8 hz, that range is very dangerous as well.

I studied science behind it, so I understand it, but I am not paranoid about it.

After sitting for 2 hours next to 3 fans of Silent Wings 3, I started getting annoyed, and I could not figure it out at first. I started hearing my fridge more, I suddenly started hearing air conditioners around my house (that I never noticed), and those sounds started hurting my brain and ears.

I am a logical person, so I started to check outside and inside for any kind of malfunction. What I realized that the frequency of the fans heightened the perception of sounds around, but NOT in a good way. I isolated the issue to the 3 fans first. I removed them, and my pain in the ears and irratation has subsided by about 80%. I returned the fans back to Amazon, but was greeted with the same issue in 4-5 hours of sitting at my computer. My moods are very stable, and they are not fluctuating up and down by the way.

I realized that the fans in the Dark Rock Pro 4 are causing the same issue, but to a lesser degree. Due to them being less rpm, but the frequency is the same, just to a lesser degree.

After removing the cooler, I realized it was not loudness of the fans, but the frequency it produced. I ABSOLUTELY would recommend to STAY AWAY from these fans for health reasons.

That is of course if you belive me, I have nothing to gain by it, but wanted to warn people.

Also I don't blame BeQuiet, as I am sure they are not aware of this, but maybe you will see that email and do a revision, because I care for people in this situation.
I will be sending them a separate email as well.

Other reasons for return: I am returning Dark Rock Pro 4 for several reasons, this is the main issue. Second issue is that cooling is very unstable. That part is more trivial now. It cannot compete with Corsair H105 that I had, and to me temps are jumping up and down. Tightening the bolts a bit less on the cpu, untill you hit the pressure is enough. Otherwise it will push the thermal paste all over, and thin it out too much where is more physical contact with the cooler, but no thermal paste to speak of now.

I would stay away from this cooler because of the fans first of all, and also, you cannot switch the fans to something else. It uses mounting mechanism that is specific to BeQuiet cooler. I would stay away altogether from it, because of those frequency issues, and unstable cooling performance. The fins are too closely stacked together, and fans cannot push substantial air through the fins to cool it. Fan is too low of rpm, and you cannot replace the fans with off-brand ones like Noctua.

Also, the cooler scuffs from tiniest contact of mounting brackets, chips the paint so easy...you will likely be pissed after a while. Fins bend so easy too, it's crazy fragile, and black paint just flakes off the fins, and from the mounting brackets.

Quality is poor in my opinion, but I saw some success with it in HIGHLY ventilated case, but you have to be realistic too. I have Cooler Master Geminii S524 cooler, with 4 heatpipes total, and Dark Rock Pro 4 has 14 (7 on each side), my old Cooler Master has a downward fan and never pushes above 72 Celcius on full Noctua fan profile, with Dark Rock Pro 4 I have seen 68-70 on full RPM load. What?

Geminii S524 was $35 by the way. Good engineering vs not so good. BUT...I will give the cooler 3 stars, because it's not garbage, but it's poorly designed, and not optimized for overclocking stability. I run Intel i7 4790k at 4.8 ghz, but you are telling me that Geminii with 4 heatpipes handles the cpu just as good but with only 1 Noctua fan vs BeQuiet 2 fans?

Results may vary, but I know what I am talking about, and I have to say...if you want great performance, perhaps go with water cooling AIO, or Noctua's high end air coolers.

Hopefully it explains it all, even when it comes to cooling with it. Cooler is fragile, fins, paint, and installation is semi-difficult if you have motherboard out of the case, but if it's in the case mounted....my goodness...may the peace be with you, my friends...it will drive you nuts trying to put those bolts into the bracket.

Unless you have 4 arms and patience of a god.

Uf, pues ya me diréis cuál cogéis. Y el resto de ventiladores?. Qué frecuencia de trabajo tienen?.
No todos tenemos la misma sensibilidad. Aparte de la frecuencia la presión sonora es muy importante.
No sé, no sé.

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[Consultor]

Hola.
Ya sabes mi opinión...

Me iría a por la Straight Power 11, independientemente de la garantía. Ten en cuenta que si tienes la rmx 9 años y se te rompe, te costará dinero el envío "al país" del sat (o donde te digan) y luego la espera de revisión y re-llegada de la nueva... Por lo que seguramente no lo veas viable...

CWT hace fuentes, si no me equivoco, chusteras, pero también algo mejores y más mejores aún como el caso; FSP lo considero más serio con el cuidado de la fabricación.

De cualquier forma... Kosh , tasadarf , breixobaloca , CapXoff estoy seguro que te podrán decir todo 100% acertado.

 

[Consultor]

repetido...

 

[Kosh]

A mi me gustan ambas
Creo acierta con ambas

CWT hace desde morralla hasta fuentes excelentes. Depende del presupuesto

En gamas bajas o medio bajas (digamos 60 euros) me gusta mas FSP o HEC pero en gama alta CWT es competitiva. Si hasta Andyson es capaz de hacer cosas buenas (Aerocool P7 que es la única Aerocool buena)

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[angie__x]

yo pillaría hx750 de cabeza...

 

[angie__x]

Hola.
Ya sabes mi opinión...

Ten en cuenta que si tienes la rmx 9 años y se te rompe, te costará dinero el envío "al país" del sat (o donde te digan) y luego la espera de revisión y re-llegada de la nueva... Por lo que seguramente no lo veas viable...

Con evga es asi, pero a mi me lo pusieron muy fácil, te envían la etiqueta para enviar la fuente que pagas tu, al cabo de una semana te mandan una fuente nueva y te piden la factura del envio que hiciste para devolverte el dinero...

 

[Mindundi Informático]

yo pillaría hx750 de cabeza...

Joder angie... no me metas otra incógnita en la ecuación xD

¿Cuánto merecen la pena esos 20 euros de más por la HX750?

 

[angie__x]

Joder angie... no me metas otra incógnita en la ecuación xD

¿Cuánto merecen la pena esos 20 euros de más por la HX750?

por la diferencia de la garantia...aunque yo preferiria pagar esos 20 pavos de mas en amazon para tener un plus de tranquilidad a parte de la garantia...

 

[tasadarf]

Como ya lo hemos hablado en varios sitios no me voy a liar explicando todo otra vez.
Asi que directamente te voy a decir lo que tienes que hacer que pocas veces lo hago y dejo que la persona elija,
Te has enamorado de la Corsair blanquita rmx v1 asi que compratela por amazon que tienes 1 mes para probarla y devolverla sin problemas (Cuando algo entra tanto por los ojos como el enfundado de los cables de esa fuente si no lo compras te vas a arrepentir), que te sale el famoso coilwhine que tu ordenador es muy propenso la devuelves y te marchas a la bequiet straight 11.

Ya he comprobado que todas las fuentes las tienes muy miradas y descartadas las que no te gustan incluso dentro de las excelentes con motivos muy concretos poco te podemos decir mas.

@minundi informatico soy muy exceptico a ese rollo de que los bequiet silent wings 3 afectan al cerebro, aqui en el foro los tienen decenas de compañeros y estan encantados, a mi que me gusta algo mas noctua la gente que tiene ambos comentan que a partir de 1000rpm los noctua si que hace un ruido mas molesto pero los bequiet como tengas la version normal incluso a tope a penas se escuchan.

 

[Lyzzsha]

Si yo no he dicho nada más. Jajaja.

Yo voy a haceros caso. Compraré de hecho las 2 fuentes. Aprovecharé para hacer una review y comparativa.
Pero, me esperaré a los nuevos Ryzen, porque quiero cambiar ya y alejarme un poco de intel.

Estoy MUY cabreada por su manía de cambiar los sockets tanto, de manera innecesaria e inútil.

 

[Sampi]

Yo tengo la rmx750 y tiene coil whine, nada exagerado, pero ahi esta :nusenuse:

 

[angie__x]

Yo tengo la rmx750 y tiene coil whine, nada exagerado, pero ahi esta :nusenuse:

y no te la cambian??

 

[Sampi]

y no te la cambian??

Si te soy sincero no me había dado ni cuenta.
El otro día me dijeron que tenían fama de hacer ruido eléctico, puse la oreja donde el ventilador y es cierto que en carga tiene.
Pero vamos, yo soy MUYYYYYY obsesivo con el tema de los ruidos y no me había dado ni cuenta, sin tener la oreja pegada a la fuente no se oye.
Otra cosa es que provoque ruido en la gráfica, ahí no te se decir.

 

[angie__x]

hombre si no se nota, ni te enteras ni te molesta, pues entonces no seria un problema...

ahora que si ves que suena mas de lo que debiera un rma y que te la cambien, que para eso la has pagado bien pagada...

 

[salitre22]

Añadir que tengo una RMX650 desde hace cerca de 2 años y jamas en mi vida la he oído ni pegando la oreja y tengo una caja Naked.

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